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Waltr bosley1/18/2023 ![]() “Through uniting with the self, we reach the god. And maybe keep in mind again that idea I’ve put forward of awakening as a kind of positive trauma… This is what Jung writes: I’m going to read the passages from The Red Book where he talks about his experience. He had already put it into words, however, in The Red Book, although it wasn’t published at the time, of course. I can hear him trying to somehow put that experience that he’s had into words. Could anyone have that certainty? Now, when I listen to that clip, it’s the silence as Jung struggles to find the answer to that question that I can hear. The first time I ever heard that I was just struck by how arrogant Jung seemed, the fact that he was saying that he knew God existed. There’s a famous moment in a television interview that Jung gave in 1959 when the interviewer asks him does he believe in God. But if it’s possible to frame trauma in a positive light, such as awakening experiences might suggest, then perhaps that takes us into some interesting realms. Normally we take the view that trauma is a negative experience. ![]() ![]() Does it make any sense at all to think that there might be such a thing as positive trauma? Awakening experiences are deeply destabilizing, de-centring, but at the same time full of light and bliss and amazement. I like the way that those two words contradict the normal sense of things. I find myself inclined to describe it as a kind of positive trauma. There is something about experiences of awakening that – besides all the bliss, amazement, wonder, fusion with the divine, which those sorts of experiences can bring – is troubling, disturbing. But then after that experience, that first awakening experience, suddenly it didn’t feel so stupid. Somebody had once said to me, knowing that I was into awakening and enlightenment and all of that they said to me once: “Well, what if you get enlightened and you don’t like it?” At the time I thought that was one of the most stupid things I’d ever heard anybody say. What was the point in sitting to meditate now that this was here, because before then, an experience like this was presumably what I’ve been trying to reach but now, now it was just there all of the time, blaring in my face, and it was disturbing and it was terrifying as well as amazing and incredible and filling me full of wonder, because where was I supposed to go now? What was I supposed to do? What was supposed to happen? When I sat down that morning to meditate that experience just instantly made redundant everything that I had been trying to do. Other feelings came up as well, which was: What do I do with this? What the hell do I do now? It wasn’t me but somehow it was part of my awareness. It felt like I was in touch with something that was outside of material reality. In that moment I realized that, obviously, experiences of this kind were what people down the ages had described as “God”. There was something and it was indescribable: it wasn’t a thought it wasn’t a sensation it wasn’t an emotion it wasn’t a concept it was something beyond the mind entirely that somehow seemed to be in there, and I remember sitting, looking at this thing and thinking: How can I be aware of this? How can this even be possible? It felt like almost as if a part of the external world was somehow inside the mind. ![]() There was something in my mind that didn’t make any sense at all. And I came down one morning to meditate and realized on sitting that something was different. I remember very vividly that first awakening experience that I had in 2009. Transcript of Episode #103 of the OEITH podcast, The Terrors of Awakening, exploring the potentially destabilising effects of awakening and the possible relationship of these to alienation abductions, MK Ultra, conspiracy theories, and more. ![]()
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